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bilateralrope · Jun 30, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Swift Thief

That would be pointless. You can buy skills from skill trainers already.

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Originally Posted by jhu

not elite ones

And for normal skills it may be easier to use a normal tome instead of earning another skill point.

bilateralrope · Jun 30, 2007, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by Turbo Wombat

If ANet wants to make the scroll trader even worth the effort, base prices are going to have to change somewhere.

I've also noticed that with some items the price offered with request quote is higher than the last sale price. Sometimes by quite a lot. I've never actually seen the request quote price be lower than the merchant price. But for sup runes I have been offered about 40 gold, then I ID'd the rune (I already had ID'd the armor I got it from) and the price went up to about 200 gold.

Can you use an id kit on passage scrolls ?

So what are the current prices if you click request quote ?

But this is a problem with the traders whenever a new item is added. Its worse here because there already is an accepted market value.

Though we just need a few people who find trade chat annoying enough to just put up with the lower price, then some will be placed in stock. Once there are some in stock they will be bought up, rising the price closer to the market value, making more people willing to accept the price loss. Personally if I had any of those scrolls, I'd just dump them at the trader.

Croco Clouds · Jun 30, 2007, 03:27 AM // 03:27

It will be the best if they have a tome trader

LifeInfusion · Jun 30, 2007, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by Turbo Wombat

If ANet wants to make the scroll trader even worth the effort, base prices are going to have to change somewhere.

This is precisely why there should not be a fully supply and demand system but one with floors and ceilings.

If posters will recall, non-popular runes are often more to the merchant (before salvage) in their armor form than to the rune trader.

Yawgmoth · Jun 30, 2007, 04:50 AM // 04:50

It doesn't matter what the "Last paid:" value says. Click view quote and he will offer you 500g per one scroll. It's a very old display bug, the same happens at rune trader all the time. The trader will always pay a minimum merchant item value, never less.

Racthoh · Jun 30, 2007, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

It doesn't matter what the "Last paid:" value says. Click view quote and he will offer you 500g per one scroll. It's a very old display bug, the same happens at rune trader all the time. The trader will always pay a minimum merchant item value, never less.

Indeed, I checked it myself to double-check and the trader offered me 500 gold for my UW and FoW scrolls.

HawkofStorms · Jun 30, 2007, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

I've also noticed that with some items the price offered with request quote is higher than the last sale price. Sometimes by quite a lot. I've never actually seen the request quote price be lower than the merchant price. But for sup runes I have been offered about 40 gold, then I ID'd the rune (I already had ID'd the armor I got it from) and the price went up to about 200 gold.

This is done intentionally to prevent easy speculating in prices. If you could buy something worth 200g at the merchant for 200g at the trader you could use it for investing (if the price EVER increased you would instantly have profit, and since you can sell it to the merchant to get your money back you'd have no risk in this investment).
The only way to prevent this kind of speculating is to force the buy price to be double the merchant value at all times or to cause the sell price to be half what it's supposed to be.

Wacky · Jul 02, 2007, 04:56 AM // 04:56

What's wrong with speculating anyway? Would add an extra dimension to the game. If people are speculating on the stock market all the time, why not in gw as well?

Levi Garett · Jul 02, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Trader buy price for FoW/UW scrolls should be 1k at a minimum.

It's 1k for entrance to FoW/UW when you have favor. The idea behind the scrolls is to gain entrance when you don't have favor. Getting into FoW/UW when you don't have favor should cost more than 1k IMHO.

Sell price should be 1.5-2k, buy price should be 1k.

Coridan · Jul 02, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

I agree with Levi Fix the price or give it a minimum value of the entry fee to either place.

HawkofStorms · Jul 02, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Wacky

What's wrong with speculating anyway? Would add an extra dimension to the game. If people are speculating on the stock market all the time, why not in gw as well?

People do that already with ecto, diamonds, etc. The reason that works is because there is a chance that those people will LOSE money. But if you buy 1000 of an item at their base value from a trader (ie you buy it for 500g and can sell it at 500g to the merchant) your guaranteed to make money (or at least never lose any). That would be bad.

bilateralrope · Jul 02, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Levi Garett

Trader buy price for FoW/UW scrolls should be 1k at a minimum.

It's 1k for entrance to FoW/UW when you have favor. The idea behind the scrolls is to gain entrance when you don't have favor. Getting into FoW/UW when you don't have favor should cost more than 1k IMHO.

Sell price should be 1.5-2k, buy price should be 1k.

The price at which you can buy scrolls from the trader isn't likely to dip below 1k on its own because when it does people will buy scrolls instead of using statues when they have favor. This will force the price back up to over 1k again.

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

People do that already with ecto, diamonds, etc. The reason that works is because there is a chance that those people will LOSE money. But if you buy 1000 of an item at their base value from a trader (ie you buy it for 500g and can sell it at 500g to the merchant) your guaranteed to make money (or at least never lose any). That would be bad.

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Where can you buy an item from the trader at its merchant value ?

Evilsod · Jul 02, 2007, 11:53 PM // 23:53

People have survived by skill trainers and cap signets for a while. Tomes save you money, go out and find the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing things or you might aswell just delete skill trainers from the game since nobody will use them anymore.

Why is the price of the scrolls not nearer 2k? Its a free entrance to FoW/UW without the favour... if your going to give all the scroll traders scrolls at 1k each just make FoW/UW entry available all the time and get it over with and stop wasting our time with these pathetic updates that have no use...

bilateralrope · Jul 03, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

People have survived by skill trainers and cap signets for a while. Tomes save you money, go out and find the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing things or you might aswell just delete skill trainers from the game since nobody will use them anymore.

Except that the skill tomes will cost more than the skill trainers. A tome trader is mainly a convenience for people wanting to sell the tomes they have acquired if they hate using the trade chat.

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Why is the price of the scrolls not nearer 2k? Its a free entrance to FoW/UW without the favour... if your going to give all the scroll traders scrolls at 1k each just make FoW/UW entry available all the time and get it over with and stop wasting our time with these pathetic updates that have no use...

The point of the traders is to let the market decide the items value, and to make trading that item quicker and easier (just imagine trying to get runes without the rune trader). Once the trader has built up a decent stockpile I don't expect that there will be many people looking to buy or sell passage scrolls via the trade chat.

And as for wasting time they could be using elsewhere, the bulk of the trader code already exists. So I'm assuming that all that was needed was to copy the code, link it to another item, then link it to the scroll traders.